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...the worst thing to happen to deviantart  community...ever. It used to be awesome to get them those faves, to get that pat on the back, but now it's become a real nuisance and I have really grown tired of it.  The worst thing is what I call drive by faving, where a user goes through your whole gallery and faves EVERY SINGLE PIECE of art.

I would rather have a single thoughtful/critical comment than a lots and lots of faves. Faves really are practically just "good job" message over and over again.  It's nice I guess, but I really get nothing from them.
From comments I can actually learn something. I can interact with people who check out my works.

So please, I'm begging you, if you really appreciate my art, if you like it or hate it, let me know.

Comment before you fave. That's what I'm going to do.

-Ville
  • Listening to: dance of the dragons audiobook
  • Reading: various asssortment of scientific papers
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ZEGH8578 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
This makes me feel better about not having "faved" anybody in my life :D Not out of some kind of statement or anything, I just never thought of it (I like to comment on art instead, point out what I like about it. If there is something I dislike, I shut up and move on). As time went by, I just figured it would look strange with a tiny handful of faves, versus many years a member, as if those faves were the cherry pick elite of my taste or something :D
I always liked your skeletals, and since I'm an internet troglodyte, I tend to bookmark, rather than "buddy" or "follow" or such.. stuffs..
Good gallery!
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Raptor-Chick Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
I like comments, but lately I have gotten a whole bunch that consist of nothing but, "COOOOOOOLLL!!!!!1!!!!" which is just as bad as drive-by faves. I do favourite art a really like and want to be able to re-visit and I may or may not have anything to say about it. I generally only comment when I have something useful to say.
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Whachamacallit1 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
For me, since I don't get that much activity on my channel, I don't really mind faves. I would prefer comments, but the faves still make me feel warm inside-probably speaks wonders about my (lack of) artistic expertise. But what I hate even more than drive by faves are comments like "Fine" or "Cool" and those muddafuckin lamas! Seriously, what the hell is with those stupid lamas, they're such a let down and are just a stupid gimmick.
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Ravenfire5 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
i like favorites for me personality because i can go back to pictures i liked at a little time, but yeah, those that fav a lot of my work and don't leave a single comment on any of them IS annoying. I mean i like having a lot of favs on my work, but it would much nicer to have comments on them. if your looking for more thoughtful and critical comments, then DA is really not the best place for that, there are other websites out there more like that.
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Afrovenator Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
Ow..I could! ;)
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Dinomaniac Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
que the death stare
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Afrovenator Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
I would fav this blog post if I could..
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Nolo84 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The deviantART interface is primarily designed to facilitate fandom. I'm surprised they haven't added a "fave ALL the deviations!" button yet.
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Professional General Artist
I mostly agree with you and I also find it vaguely annoying when people "fave-bomb" my gallery without saying a word. However, I also understand that many (perhaps most) people just don't have anything useful to say, and a +fav is only slightly worse than a "cool!" or a "nice!" which I also find vaguely annoying. I feel like I need to be careful to not "require" people to say more than that, though, because once a person feels obligated to force themselves to comment in a more substantial way, it becomes a chore and they're less likely to say anything at all.

Being as talented as you are, you'll always have a core group of people who genuinely appreciate your art for all of its subtleties and who feel inspired to let you know in words. But to most of the general public, good artwork is always going to be "cool!" and "nice!" if anything at all.
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ShadowKiwi Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012   Digital Artist
I'm not going to challenge your point, because I see it and felt it sometimes.

It's kind of useful to ignore them though. They are just kind of thumbs up, and they sort of tell you what your curb appeal is; the ones that always get picked from far away. I don't think a lot of people can express themselves in words, or otherwise they are just passing through and don't know you well but like your art.

Just saying I wouldn't take it so hard : ) It's normal to want verbal feedback though. Maybe in your artist's comments you can ask questions to initiate feedback. I do that a lot.
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DeinonychusEmpire Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If I may, favorites are not for you. They're for your +Watchers. When someone adores your whole gallery and favorites everything it's ultimately for them. As an artist on dA you're providing a service as an inspiration to other people. There is a comment system and a critique system which are for you. Don't pretend people don't use those to praise or critique your work merely because those features are used less aggressively than the favorites system.

Imagine the favorites system is eliminated. People don't have a way to bookmark your work. They can comment on how much they like or dislike anything in your gallery, but after that they'd move on without a favorites gallery to browse through at a different time to remember and further admire your work (unless they're obsessive Deviants and use their web browser to literally bookmark every piece of work they like).

Please don't take offense to this, but it's a little selfish to desire critiques and comments as opposed to favorites (even drive-by faves). All three features are beneficial to you and the community, and all are adequately used in my opinion. Having a dA account isn't about you. It's about your work. Expect comments, expect critiques, but also expect people to love and favorite your work (even and especially if it is en masse) because that's what people come here for is art.
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Dinomaniac Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
*There is a comment system and a critique system which are for you. Don't pretend people don't use those to praise or critique your *work merely because those features are used less aggressively than the favorites system.

Correct if I'm wrong, but the critiques system is only for paying DA subscribers, and I'm not one.
I'm not pretending anything and I don't take unfounded accusations kindly. I did not claim that people never comment on my stuff. They do, but far far far more often they take the easy way out and just click that star icon. If you wan't any proof of this go trough my gallery and check the ratio of numbers of comments and numbers of faves.

I'm not asking that the fave system ought to be eliminated. It's fine as pat in the back (his is all what it really is) and collecting inspiration. All I'm asking is people to comment and fave instead of just faving. Comment if you like it, comment if you hate it. Give me critiques. Help me to get better.
Is that really too much asked for in your oppinion?
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DeinonychusEmpire Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Commenting isn't as easy and productive as you think it is. Eventually it gets repetitive because only occasionally do you stumble across something that is really worth commenting on, in which case you'd certainly have something to say about it. Otherwise if you comment on everything you appreciate than it'll start to get lazy and tedious. Personally, I find too many "Good job!" or "Excellent work!" comments to be as beneficial to me as a pat on the back; and those are the kind of comments you're going to be making after a while because you'll be out of breath so-to-speak. I'm not here to ruffle your feathers dude, I'm trying to provide you with legitimate feedback to your concerns. I'm not making unfounded accusations as these are my opinions as much as yours are yours. Please don't take it unkindly.
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Arbiter10123 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Student General Artist
I'll try to leave a comment if I can, more often. :)
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Dinomaniac Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
Thanks, I apreciate that. :)
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Arbiter10123 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Student General Artist
:)
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Raptor85 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally fully agree i get this all the time too and i hate it :(
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Miyess Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012   Digital Artist
Agreed... [link]
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arvalis Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
I greatly prefer favorites to comments, myself. Since favorites are much easier to give than comments, its a better judge of how many people like what you are doing. I prefer get a thousand favorites over a handful of comments, because most comments amount to the same thing and I really can no longer be bothered to reply. I always get the most insight for my work from my friends before i post art anyway. Either way though, its people just showing they like your work, which one should really never complain about.
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Dinomaniac Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
I can see where your coming from. I think the main difference between our views comes from our backrounds. You are in artschool right? Which means your surrounded by artsy folk who have backround in arts and so are able to give you proper analysis and commentary about your works.

Well, I have never stepped my foot in an proper art class. I'm self-thought. I'm studying Geology/Paleontology, which means that I'm not surrounded by people who can give me good insightfull critique, and so I'm really dependant on Comments and critiques I can get from online communities.

I know people mean well by faving. As you said it's a sign of appreciation, and that's nothing to complain about. BUT, I wan't to get better at arts, and for that I need critiques. I also do not want to become like Gregory S. Paul and shout from high ivory tower to young whippersnappers to get out of my lawn. I wan't to interact with people who took the time to check out my works.
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arvalis Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
Its true im in art school, however i dont really talk to many fellow students outside of classes. Most of the people i go to for advice came from deviantART. The key is to make friends with other good artists on dA and then you will in turn get criticism and you can critique them. However what it seems like you are really wanting is a place more like conceptart.org or CGhub.com. Im not sure if youre familiar with those, but i think you would prefer the community. Lets be honest, dA is largely the social media site for artists, its a place to show off and make friends, not really a stand in for art school like conceptart.org is. If you want, i can throw in my two cents for the next non-study you post as well.
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Dinomaniac Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
But you do get comments from you peers in class, or very least from your instructor. I don't have that luxury, which means I'm depending on online communities to get that feedback. I do have sketchbook at CA where I post regularly and I'm passingly familiar with CGhub, though CGhub seems more like portfolio site than a community.

*If you want, i can throw in my two cents for the next non-study you post as well.

Sure that would be great! Though, why limit to non-studies? ;)
Certainly critiques on studies are just as important as critiques on imaginative work. Besides, these days I very much feel
that good studies include interpertation and experimentation with edges and brushstrokes, not just copying your reference exactly, and those aspects can certainly be critiqued.



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arvalis Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
Thats why i dont really like to crit studies though, because they are basically test runs. You wouldnt critique a professional athlete on his push-ups, you critique his game playing. It only seems appropriate to critique studies when the person is clearly struggling, and you sir, are doing very well.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Student General Artist
Aside from the very first sentence, I agree with this wholeheartedly. Especially the "drive-by faves" as you called them, can get really annoying.

I only ever favourite works which I really, really love and consider in the top percentage of artworks in my general interest area; and I will always try and leave a comment alongside. Not to say "I wish people were more like me", but I do really wish more people would do this.
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Professional General Artist
I am inclined to feel the same way, it seems especially to be the younger, noobier, tard-ier types of deviants that will, you know, give a shitload of faves and not a single comment. However, I really find it tiresome when people ask for comments before faves, too, so, I am torn. At least now I know WHY they are asking for that, I am inclined to think the same myself.
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